Converting From SGML

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Hi Servio,

OmniMark is far from being defunct as you write it.
The company Exoterica changed its name to OmniMark
Technologies in 1996 and became Stilo in 2003
(http://www.stilo.com).

Version 7 of OmniMark was released early this year and
brings many new functionalities in areas like XML or
Java integration. Of course, SGML is still supported.
OmniMark developers` ressources are available at
http://developers.omnimark.com/.

Christophe

Christophe Chardonnet
Stilo Europe
Tel: +33 1 30 70 62 00
Fax: +33 1 30 70 65 66
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> -----Message d`origine-----
> De: Servio [mailto:servio_medina@...]
> Date: mardi 10 juin 2003 16:46
> À: xml-doc@yahoogroups.com
> Objet: [xml-doc] Converting From SGML
>
>
> Hello. Have performed a search on converting SGML to
> other formats,
> perferably MSWord, with little luck. If you have any
> information on
> simple-to-use products/options, I would be very
> grateful.
>
> Two posts that pertain to the search:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xml-doc/message/31
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xml-doc/message/32
>
> however, I do not currently have FrameMaker, and
> wonder at its
> functionality (on Windows).
>
> Also, I have collected a list of products that
> *were* available for
> converting from SGML, and provide that below for
> what its worth.
>
> Thanks much in advance.
> Servio
>
>
> -= SGML findings =-
> 1. James Clark
> 1. Jade - James Clark`s freely available
> implementation of the
> DSSSL style language
> - Free
> - No demo
> - Unix; MS-DOS; 95/NT; OS/2
> - Only Microsoft Visual C++ 6.0 is supported
> - Requires building to OS
>
> http://www.jclark.com/jade/
> http://openjade.sourceforge.net/
>
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DocBook-OpenJade-SGML-XML-HOWTO/x426.html
>
> 2. Microsoft
> 1. SGML Author - is a set of Macros and DLL`s and
> a WLL that run
> together to convert your styled Word document into
> SGML (not certain
> if this was intended to convert SGML to Word)
> - Version 1.1 was designed for Word 95
> - Version 1.2 was designed for Word 97
> - No longer supported by Microsoft
> - Availability unknown
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?
>
q=Microsoft+SGML+Author+for+Word&start=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-
> 8&selm=UdOk2.59%24Of.333%40newsr2.u-net.net&rnum=11
>
>
> 3. The University Of Birmingham
> 1. XML/SGML DocBook Editing Suite
> - Requires OpenJade, The DocBook DTD,
> ISO-Entities, other.
> -
>
http://supportweb.cs.bham.ac.uk/documentation/tutorials/docsystem/buil
> d/tutorials/docbooksys/segmentedhtml/
>
>
> 4. Spider: The automated publishing system for SGML
> or XML data.
> http://www.star-ag.ch/eng/software/spider.html
>
> STAR USA, LLC (East Coast)
> 11 West Ormond Avenue, Suite 201
> Cherry Hill NJ 08002
> USA
> Phone: +1 856 795 66 20
> Fax: +1 856 795 66 51
>
> - no longer supports SGML
>
>
> 5. WordPerfect SGML Edition
> - Use an outside package—for example, a Perl program
> or a
> commercial
> conversion program such as Avalanche`s FastTag.
> - Converting from SGML to other file formats is
> straightforward in
> WordPerfect SGML Edition. You simply perform a Save
> As operation and
> specify the format that you want to use.
>
> WordPerfect Corp.,
> 1555 N. Technology Way,
> Orem, UT 84057
> Web: http://wp.novell.com/elecpub/sgmlweb.htm
>
> - Now Corel
> - changed to http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?
> pagename=Corel/Home
> - no longer supports SGML
>
> 6. Near & Far Author
> Perhaps one of the slickest products on the SGML
> Authoring list is
> Microstar`s new Near & Far Author. This program
> operates
> alongside
> Microsoft Word. It customizes the Word interface to
> facilitate
> structured authoring. What makes the program so
> slick is its
> graphical mapping of document structure. It teaches
> authors
> intuitively about structure better than any SGML
> seminar ever could.
>
> Conversion to and from SGML
> Conversion from SGML is pretty smooth, so long as
> the program can
> locate all the entities and external files.
> Otherwise, the error
> messages are collected in the Message History dialog
> box, which
> explains why the file loading process failed (see
> Fig. 26.13).
>
> Microstar Software Ltd.
> 3775 Richmond Road
> Nepean, Ontario, Canada K2H 5B7
> Web: http://www.microstar.com
>
> - Now OpenText
> - now http://www.opentext.com/microstar/
> - waiting to hear back from a technical sales
> representative in
> whether OpenText has a product
> - Note: Near and Far Author is no longer supported
>
>
> 7. There are other conversion tools that are now
> defunct, with only
> antiquated references:
> - Balise (U D) MID
> - FastTAG (U W) Avalanche
> - Integrated Chameleon Architecture (U) PD
> - OmniMark (U D M) Exoterica
> - qwertz/FORMAT (U) PD
> - SGML Hammer (U W) Avalanche
> - SGML Translator DCF Edition (I) IBM
> - TableTAG (U D) Unifilt
> - Rainbow
>
>
>
>
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Converting From SGML

Hi Servio,

OmniMark is far from being defunct as you write it.
The company Exoterica changed its name to OmniMark
Technologies in 1996 and became Stilo in 2003
(http://www.stilo.com).

Version 7 of OmniMark was released early this year and
brings many new functionalities in areas like XML or
Java integration. Of course, SGML is still supported.
OmniMark developers` ressources are available at
http://developers.omnimark.com/.

Christophe

Christophe Chardonnet
Stilo Europe
Tel: +33 1 30 70 62 00
Fax: +33 1 30 70 65 66
E-mail: cchardonnet@...
Web: http://www.stilo.com

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> -----Message d`origine-----
> De: Servio [mailto:servio_medina@...]
> Date: mardi 10 juin 2003 16:46
> À: xml-doc@yahoogroups.com
> Objet: [xml-doc] Converting From SGML
>
>
> Hello. Have performed a search on converting SGML to
> other formats,
> perferably MSWord, with little luck. If you have any
> information on
> simple-to-use products/options, I would be very
> grateful.
>
> Two posts that pertain to the search:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xml-doc/message/31
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xml-doc/message/32
>
> however, I do not currently have FrameMaker, and
> wonder at its
> functionality (on Windows).
>
> Also, I have collected a list of products that
> *were* available for
> converting from SGML, and provide that below for
> what its worth.
>
> Thanks much in advance.
> Servio
>
>
> -= SGML findings =-
> 1. James Clark
> 1. Jade - James Clark`s freely available
> implementation of the
> DSSSL style language
> - Free
> - No demo
> - Unix; MS-DOS; 95/NT; OS/2
> - Only Microsoft Visual C++ 6.0 is supported
> - Requires building to OS
>
> http://www.jclark.com/jade/
> http://openjade.sourceforge.net/
>
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DocBook-OpenJade-SGML-XML-HOWTO/x426.html
>
> 2. Microsoft
> 1. SGML Author - is a set of Macros and DLL`s and
> a WLL that run
> together to convert your styled Word document into
> SGML (not certain
> if this was intended to convert SGML to Word)
> - Version 1.1 was designed for Word 95
> - Version 1.2 was designed for Word 97
> - No longer supported by Microsoft
> - Availability unknown
>
> http://groups.google.com/groups?
>
q=Microsoft+SGML+Author+for+Word&start=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-
> 8&selm=UdOk2.59%24Of.333%40newsr2.u-net.net&rnum=11
>
>
> 3. The University Of Birmingham
> 1. XML/SGML DocBook Editing Suite
> - Requires OpenJade, The DocBook DTD,
> ISO-Entities, other.
> -
>
http://supportweb.cs.bham.ac.uk/documentation/tutorials/docsystem/buil
> d/tutorials/docbooksys/segmentedhtml/
>
>
> 4. Spider: The automated publishing system for SGML
> or XML data.
> http://www.star-ag.ch/eng/software/spider.html
>
> STAR USA, LLC (East Coast)
> 11 West Ormond Avenue, Suite 201
> Cherry Hill NJ 08002
> USA
> Phone: +1 856 795 66 20
> Fax: +1 856 795 66 51
>
> - no longer supports SGML
>
>
> 5. WordPerfect SGML Edition
> - Use an outside package—for example, a Perl program
> or a
> commercial
> conversion program such as Avalanche`s FastTag.
> - Converting from SGML to other file formats is
> straightforward in
> WordPerfect SGML Edition. You simply perform a Save
> As operation and
> specify the format that you want to use.
>
> WordPerfect Corp.,
> 1555 N. Technology Way,
> Orem, UT 84057
> Web: http://wp.novell.com/elecpub/sgmlweb.htm
>
> - Now Corel
> - changed to http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?
> pagename=Corel/Home
> - no longer supports SGML
>
> 6. Near & Far Author
> Perhaps one of the slickest products on the SGML
> Authoring list is
> Microstar`s new Near & Far Author. This program
> operates
> alongside
> Microsoft Word. It customizes the Word interface to
> facilitate
> structured authoring. What makes the program so
> slick is its
> graphical mapping of document structure. It teaches
> authors
> intuitively about structure better than any SGML
> seminar ever could.
>
> Conversion to and from SGML
> Conversion from SGML is pretty smooth, so long as
> the program can
> locate all the entities and external files.
> Otherwise, the error
> messages are collected in the Message History dialog
> box, which
> explains why the file loading process failed (see
> Fig. 26.13).
>
> Microstar Software Ltd.
> 3775 Richmond Road
> Nepean, Ontario, Canada K2H 5B7
> Web: http://www.microstar.com
>
> - Now OpenText
> - now http://www.opentext.com/microstar/
> - waiting to hear back from a technical sales
> representative in
> whether OpenText has a product
> - Note: Near and Far Author is no longer supported
>
>
> 7. There are other conversion tools that are now
> defunct, with only
> antiquated references:
> - Balise (U D) MID
> - FastTAG (U W) Avalanche
> - Integrated Chameleon Architecture (U) PD
> - OmniMark (U D M) Exoterica
> - qwertz/FORMAT (U) PD
> - SGML Hammer (U W) Avalanche
> - SGML Translator DCF Edition (I) IBM
> - TableTAG (U D) Unifilt
> - Rainbow
>
>
>
>
>
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At 2003-06-10 14:46 +0000, Servio wrote:
>Hello. Have performed a search on converting SGML to other formats,
>perferably MSWord, with little luck. If you have any information on
>simple-to-use products/options, I would be very grateful.

In the "Free Developer Tools Resource Library" section of our web site
linked below is a Python-based environment called "N2X" for converting from
SGML to XML.

I needed N2X because James Clark`s SX did not address preservation of
unparsed entity declarations and other internal declaration subset issues.

Our environment also includes an XML expression of SDATA entity replacements.

Though not directly to your question of going to MSWord, I hope this might
help in some other route to a solution.

................ Ken

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Explain a bit more about what you want to do. Is this a one-time conversion,
or are you going to repeat this over and over? Converting SGML to Word turns
out to be relatively simple if your goal is to go from SGML to Word only and
not try to go back, especially if this is a one-time conversion.

Merf Freeman
Senior SW Engineer
L-3 Communications

-----Original Message-----
From: Servio [mailto:servio_medina@...]
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2003 8:46 AM
To: xml-doc@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [xml-doc] Converting From SGML

Hello. Have performed a search on converting SGML to other formats,
perferably MSWord, with little luck. If you have any information on
simple-to-use products/options, I would be very grateful.

Two posts that pertain to the search:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xml-doc/message/31
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/xml-doc/message/32

however, I do not currently have FrameMaker, and wonder at its
functionality (on Windows).

Also, I have collected a list of products that *were* available for
converting from SGML, and provide that below for what its worth.

Thanks much in advance.
Servio

-= SGML findings =-
1. James Clark
1. Jade - James Clark`s freely available implementation of the
DSSSL style language
- Free
- No demo
- Unix; MS-DOS; 95/NT; OS/2
- Only Microsoft Visual C++ 6.0 is supported
- Requires building to OS

http://www.jclark.com/jade/
http://openjade.sourceforge.net/
http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/DocBook-OpenJade-SGML-XML-HOWTO/x426.html

2. Microsoft
1. SGML Author - is a set of Macros and DLL`s and a WLL that run
together to convert your styled Word document into SGML (not certain
if this was intended to convert SGML to Word)
- Version 1.1 was designed for Word 95
- Version 1.2 was designed for Word 97
- No longer supported by Microsoft
- Availability unknown

http://groups.google.com/groups?
q=Microsoft+SGML+Author+for+Word&start=10&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-
8&selm=UdOk2.59%24Of.333%40newsr2.u-net.net&rnum=11

3. The University Of Birmingham
1. XML/SGML DocBook Editing Suite
- Requires OpenJade, The DocBook DTD, ISO-Entities, other.
-
http://supportweb.cs.bham.ac.uk/documentation/tutorials/docsystem/buil
d/tutorials/docbooksys/segmentedhtml/

4. Spider: The automated publishing system for SGML or XML data.
http://www.star-ag.ch/eng/software/spider.html

STAR USA, LLC (East Coast)
11 West Ormond Avenue, Suite 201
Cherry Hill NJ 08002
USA
Phone: +1 856 795 66 20
Fax: +1 856 795 66 51

- no longer supports SGML

5. WordPerfect SGML Edition
- Use an outside package-for example, a Perl program or a
commercial
conversion program such as Avalanche`s FastTag.
- Converting from SGML to other file formats is straightforward in
WordPerfect SGML Edition. You simply perform a Save As operation and
specify the format that you want to use.

WordPerfect Corp.,
1555 N. Technology Way,
Orem, UT 84057
Web: http://wp.novell.com/elecpub/sgmlweb.htm

- Now Corel
- changed to http://www.corel.com/servlet/Satellite?
pagename=Corel/Home
- no longer supports SGML

6. Near & Far Author
Perhaps one of the slickest products on the SGML Authoring list is
Microstar`s new Near & Far Author. This program operates
alongside
Microsoft Word. It customizes the Word interface to facilitate
structured authoring. What makes the program so slick is its
graphical mapping of document structure. It teaches authors
intuitively about structure better than any SGML seminar ever could.

Conversion to and from SGML
Conversion from SGML is pretty smooth, so long as the program can
locate all the entities and external files. Otherwise, the error
messages are collected in the Message History dialog box, which
explains why the file loading process failed (see Fig. 26.13).

Microstar Software Ltd.
3775 Richmond Road
Nepean, Ontario, Canada K2H 5B7
Web: http://www.microstar.com

- Now OpenText
- now http://www.opentext.com/microstar/
- waiting to hear back from a technical sales representative in
whether OpenText has a product
- Note: Near and Far Author is no longer supported

7. There are other conversion tools that are now defunct, with only
antiquated references:
- Balise (U D) MID
- FastTAG (U W) Avalanche
- Integrated Chameleon Architecture (U) PD
- OmniMark (U D M) Exoterica
- qwertz/FORMAT (U) PD
- SGML Hammer (U W) Avalanche
- SGML Translator DCF Edition (I) IBM
- TableTAG (U D) Unifilt
- Rainbow

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Servio,
I suspect that there are no perfect solutions, especially for complex materials,
but a product you might want to look at is x4o©, a Word plug-in from i4i
(www.i4i.com). It`s a good company and the web site advertises it as "a
simple-to-use tool that enables your non-technical workforce to create XML
templates and associated DTDs, and valid XML documents based on these templates,
all while using a Microsoft Word interface." This all with the caveat that we
haven`t used this product ourselves.
A couple of items to note, based on the Web-site:
1. The product is advertised only as working with XML, you would need to check
if that`s an issue with your SGML (it`s usually a trivial step to make SGML
files XML-compliant. )
2. The Web site speaks only of creating XML documents in Word, not of importing
existing XML. I don`t know if that`s a restriction or just an advertising
choice, assuming their market are those who know Word and are now wanting to use
XML.
Our company, DCL, specializes in customized conversions to and from SGML, and we
do this kind of work you describe on a production basis for our customers. We`ve
found that, largely because of the variety of projects we work with, that we`ve
needed to build our own proprietary software, and that`s we use for our work.
I hope this helps.

Mark

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